Gen1 vs Gen2 => FIGHT!

[Guest fonix232]

yes there is

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I disagree most strongly - clearly Gen1 more differenterer from Gen2 than Gen2 is from Gen1... :mellow:

That method isn't a full Gen2 transfer, atleast from what I've got from the text. If I do Gen2, I will go to a whole-gen2 "experience", not something cooked stuff (I like going to generic official, then modded :o no offense, great work on it though!).

And please, let paradoxes for androids. THIS SENTENCE IS FALSE!

[Guest KACE_231]

jus a quick question....i would like to know why there is a GEN1 and a GEN2? why even make a GEN2 if there no difference? must be somthing :mellow: or am i missing somthing :o

Thank you

GEN2, different bands unlocked (i.e frequencies) and you need it to run CM7 officially. All newer blades that come with android 2.2 as standard are GEN2, I am sure there is some firmware improvement that we dont know about.

[Guest The Soup Thief]

That method isn't a full Gen2 transfer, atleast from what I've got from the text. If I do Gen2, I will go to a whole-gen2 "experience", not something cooked stuff (I like going to generic official, then modded :mellow: no offense, great work on it though!).

And please, let paradoxes for androids. THIS SENTENCE IS FALSE!

Hiya. Not really sure what you mean. It's the whole thing, honest! If you've used the windows method to update gen1->gen2, then that method will get a phone straight back to Gen1 memory structure, without messing up the IMEI

This will then allow you to do a TPT to Gen2 maintaining all the things you wanna keep (TPT & IMEI for example)

Are you maybe talking about tweaking gen2 roms so they can be applied to a gen1 phone using kallt-kaffe's konvertor? That's a different kettle of koi...

Paradoxes are for everyone! Why let the robots have all the fun?

[Guest Tripov]

I converted my phone with Windows flasher... and I haven't noticed any substantial difference.

[Guest fonix232]

Hiya. Not really sure what you mean. It's the whole thing, honest! If you've used the windows method to update gen1->gen2, then that method will get a phone straight back to Gen1 memory structure, without messing up the IMEI

This will then allow you to do a TPT to Gen2 maintaining all the things you wanna keep (TPT & IMEI for example)

Are you maybe talking about tweaking gen2 roms so they can be applied to a gen1 phone using kallt-kaffe's konvertor? That's a different kettle of koi...

Paradoxes are for everyone! Why let the robots have all the fun?

Nope, looks like I've been swapping your method with the one what contains mixed-modified Gen1 and Gen2 mbn's to have FTM mode, secure IMEI, etc.

Your method looks good, but I'll stick with Gen1 until I get the official T-Mobile HU upgrade :mellow:

So, paradoxes. Does a set of all sets contain itself? Or, your mission is to do not complete this mission! Is this enough? :o

[Guest Jekle]

I'd add warranty as a 4th round, as in many countries, they haven't updated to Gen2 yet (great example is Hungary, the UK, and AFAIK, Poland neither has 2.2), and as there's no safe way to go back to Gen1, you're there with a broken phone if anything happens. Oh, and 5th round, updating process. Not the easiest way to do...

Yes there is wbaw TPT method is very secure I've downgraded a few times to Gen 1 and back again, easy... Shows how much you've paid attention.

[Guest Fou-lu]

5th round, updating process. Not the easiest way to do...

updating to GEN2? that's the most easiest thing ever really, hold two buttons and your GEN2 in 30 seconds or so.

[Guest fonix232]

Yes there is wbaw TPT method is very secure I've downgraded a few times to Gen 1 and back again, easy... Shows how much you've paid attention.

I haven't been looking actively at the thing bcos my carrier did not release the 2.2 update yet and I did not wanted to void my warranty - as I want to return my phone soon.

And update to Gen2 isn't just holding two buttons - a lot of things can (and does) happen through the process. Believe me I've been through the process (I've been looking at the flasher's code), and I know almost exactly what happens. And MANY things can go wrong.

[Guest shadowninty]

I get better signal at my school

They could've updated the Towers overnight

I get HSPDA which I never got before

happy I updated, not happy I used the windows way

[Guest shadowninty]

I haven't been looking actively at the thing bcos my carrier did not release the 2.2 update yet and I did not wanted to void my warranty - as I want to return my phone soon.

And update to Gen2 isn't just holding two buttons - a lot of things can (and does) happen through the process. Believe me I've been through the process (I've been looking at the flasher's code), and I know almost exactly what happens. And MANY things can go wrong.

Fonix this doesn't sound like you :o :mellow:

[Guest fonix232]

Fonix this doesn't sound like you :D :mellow:

Sorry, I don't really had time for this stuff in the late months... new girl :o

But that's offtopic, so I will not do it any more from now!

[Guest jt_mcg]

I get better signal at my school

They could've updated the Towers overnight

I get HSPDA which I never got before

happy I updated, not happy I used the windows way

+1

I was constantly roaming to vodafone ie at home and after the gen 2 upgrade, I'm always on 3 and often with H rather than the previous 3g (when I was extremely lucky)

I don't think the towers were upgraded the night before, just sort of wishing I didn't have the time that day and waited a day for wbaw's tpt method.

As for Fonix, hopefully the new girl keeps you busy enough until the 2.2 hu upgrade comes out, otherwise I'm sure you'll get restless enough to void your warranty!

quick edit: I should be going to the US soon and I'm curious to test the 850 band too.

Edited May 5, 2011 by jt_mcg

[Guest Spies]

But unless you climbed inside the box too, how would you know??

Sounds a bit like Heisenberg's cat, but with mobile telephones... Surely someone can weave a bit more wave-partical duality related reason into this thread

Maybe my phone has hsUpa, until I actually look at it or try to prove it in any way, at which point it reverts to GPRS

Sorry, i've nothing useful to contribute to this conversation other than an enthusiastic wish in the face of growing evidence to the contrary that something in all the fannying about we're doing actually has some benficial impact :o

EDIT - nice idea for a thread title though

A 4 sided box, you know, with the top open :mellow:

[Guest cartoone]

Just a silly question.

Is those 3 difference between Gen1 and Gen2 device?

Any changes to GPS, Memory allocation etc internally?

[Guest punkmilitia]

Getting sick of all these "Gen2 SUX" posts.

Gen2 has better signal for some people who were on Gen1. Fact.

CM7 will only be on Gen 2 also, but before you moan and say

WRYY GEN 2 CM!?! Well, it's because alot of San Frans ship with Gen 2 now

and people are upgrading to it aswell as there is no harm in upgrading to it

and heck you may even get increased signal - That's why they moved on,

Maybe you should too??

Don't like Gen2? I do not see why, Go find something more worthy to moan about.

(This isn't aimed at OP but to some people who posted in here.)

FYI: I get a better signal even-though i'm from the UK and my internet seem's as

fast as it does on my old iPhone now which is a good thing.

More than happy that I upgraded and agree with Shadow.

Edited May 7, 2011 by punkmilitia

[Guest wbaw]

I get 6mb more ram on Gen2, that's over a 1% improvement!

[Guest shadowninty]

I get 6mb more ram on Gen2, that's over a 1% improvement!

4mb, no?

Opera puts it good use :mellow:

[Guest wbaw]

4mb, no?

Opera puts it good use :mellow:

It might just be 4mb, but it's still a huge improvement, even if it's not quite 1%. Although you end up losing over 1mb of nand storage.

[Guest cpg]

Getting sick of all these "Gen2 SUX" posts.

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Just because you get better reception doesn't mean everyone has or will have the same experience. Noone here really knows the differences except the build date.

Personally, i just saw it as a radio firmware update, which was reason enough for me to apply it. My experience isn't great, though.

After switching back and forth several times now, reception is about equal for me - at least, i can't tell the difference.

However, where i live, the UMTS signal is fairly weak. With both gen1 and gen2 radio firmware, the signal is strong enough for my phone to find it and data works just fine for either. The problem is outgoing calls. With my phone on WCDMA (or auto select), i simply cannot call with gen2; it tries but fails immediately. It works perfectly fine with gen1, but for gen2, i have to specifically force it to 2G to successfully call someone. With a stronger UMTS signal (like in a bigger city), it seems to work fine for both gens.

I've only tested it with the Telia radio firmware (and the original Orange B08 for gen1) so far, but at least for now, there is at least one very noticeable downside to gen2 for me.

[Guest punkmilitia]

Just because you get better reception doesn't mean everyone has or will have the same experience. Noone here really knows the differences except the build date.

Personally, i just saw it as a radio firmware update, which was reason enough for me to apply it. My experience isn't great, though.

After switching back and forth several times now, reception is about equal for me - at least, i can't tell the difference.

However, where i live, the UMTS signal is fairly weak. With both gen1 and gen2 radio firmware, the signal is strong enough for my phone to find it and data works just fine for either. The problem is outgoing calls. With my phone on WCDMA (or auto select), i simply cannot call with gen2; it tries but fails immediately. It works perfectly fine with gen1, but for gen2, i have to specifically force it to 2G to successfully call someone. With a stronger UMTS signal (like in a bigger city), it seems to work fine for both gens.

I've only tested it with the Telia radio firmware (and the original Orange B08 for gen1) so far, but at least for now, there is at least one very noticeable downside to gen2 for me.

If you actually read my post you'd see I didn't say everyone got better reception, only some.

I have no idea why you have phone call issues, I have 3g/h on all day and can call/receive calls perfectly fine.

[Guest wbaw]

I don't notice any significant difference either, but that's not the real reason for doing it. The reason to upgrade to gen2 is so that your phone is compatible with newer blade versions that are being sold with froyo/gen2. It's easier for rom developers to have everybody on similar radio firmware rather than having to create, test & debug 2 different versions of their roms. downgrading gen2 phones to gen1 was riskier at the time the decision was made for cm7.

The main advantage of updating to Gen2 is that you can run the latest versions of CM7 without having to use unsupported converters.

[Guest ambak]

I don't notice any significant difference either, but that's not the real reason for doing it. The reason to upgrade to gen2 is so that your phone is compatible with newer blade versions that are being sold with froyo/gen2. It's easier for rom developers to have everybody on similar radio firmware rather than having to create, test & debug 2 different versions of their roms. downgrading gen2 phones to gen1 was riskier at the time the decision was made for cm7.

The main advantage of updating to Gen2 is that you can run the latest versions of CM7 without having to use unsupported converters.

Please explain "the main advantage in using CM7", I've been using CM7 since N4, to me it has went downhill since the introduction of GEN2, last week I went over to SS5 and can do anything on this rom that I did on CM7, I even have an FM radio to listen to on SS5 when at the football, longer battery life, faster usb charging, no charging shutdown, no problem playing games, no gps problems........etc

therefore if anyone can show me something I'm missing out on with CM7, then I think I'll stay on SS until then :unsure: :)

[Guest cpg]

I don't notice any significant difference either, but that's not the real reason for doing it.

I agree with this. Not only for the CM7 part, though, but also because the software is newer and they might have fixed some bugs.

Though, of course, they might also have introduced some new ones :unsure:

I'm not done testing what i can do about the WCDMA issue i described above, though my point was only that noone really knows what the difference is, which makes it impossible to decide which is better.

[Guest admanirv]

I'm in Australia atm, I'm running a gen2 orange unlocked running n67.

What do I need to test? , I get full hspa 'H' and I'm using it but what exactly should I test?

[Guest _amano]

It would be better if you tested the 850 Mhz net there instead of HSUPA. You need an operator that is solely 850 Mhz based. If you can phone somebody up within this net, then you can be sure that your GEN 2 blade can handle the feature.

Edited May 10, 2011 by _amano