REQ: Ported Flash Player

[Guest ClintEastman]

muff, i agree with everything you say, and like Grad said it would be just the player that would need certing.........

With regards to a player it will have to be Macromedia to come up with that on, as for my use it would have to be flash 5 (though 6 would be nice) and FPS is of no worry to me as i would be producing apps not games (there are enough good games out there but not enough good apps). :)

[Guest muff]

yep

my point about the flash player certing is there are 2 path's - a plugin that installs into the current web browser somehow (not sure if this is possible) or a standalone player (certing required)

my problems with flash as a learning tool is that it is hugely deceptive

it looks very easy, and chucking graphics on the page and making animations IS dead easy once you grasp the idea of frames + timelines (something some people have problems with)

then you chuck in the actionscript coding which works across those timelines + through sub movies and I've actually watched peoples brains start leaking out of their ears :D

then tell them to make a game that runs at good speed, and you are for a repetition of the famous head explosion from Scanners :)

and after that only the structure of the langues is similar to javascript and other languages - the actuality of frames + timelines is unique to Flash (oh and Director I suppose, but that's a whole different kettle of fish coding wise)

if I was making something that was web accessed by people on multiple platforms all with plugin compatability, or want to make something interesting in multimedia without going to Director, then yes I'd use Flash (and have plently of times)

but for a fixed platform game development I'd almost always use C

as for it being difficult to learn, that's a subjective thing - most people are scared by C - when it's not actually that hard

the other question is wether you want the SPV to be deluged by little animations + screensavers as the web was when Flash first came out :lol:

which is no reflection on the potential / power of Flash at all

I'd love to see more stuff developed for the SPV by the community in Flash or C or whatever it takes, but I suspect that most of the community is users not creators

lets face it, there is probably less than a dozen games programmers on MoDaCo, and I think that had the demand for Flash been higher, then someone would have made the player by now

MS/Orange/Macromedia would have got involved had the demand been high enough, but as it stands there are few people pushing for it

same goes for a java player (though then that kicks up quesions about whose Java you use :(

I hope a Flash player does appear, but I'm not holding my breathe

[Guest muff]

muff, i agree with everything you say, and like Grad said it would be just the player that would need certing.........

With regards to a player it will have to be Macromedia to come up with that on, as for my use it would have to be flash 5 (though 6 would be nice) and FPS is of no worry to me as i would be producing apps not games (there are enough good games out there but not enough good apps). :(

either way the flash player needs to be a bastardised version to allow for the key inputs on the SPV vs Mouse/keyboard input of PC

we can hope, but let's not hold our breathes :)

[Guest gradiation]

ironically we need to depend on C to get the flash player for SPV :)

Think we are all just agreeing now, so lets just wait and see.

[Guest drblow]

Is all this just loose talk, or does anybody have a good reason for believing that flash player is imminent??

And I just have to say that Grad is right in saying that the biggest benefit of flash is going to be for users like me who don't know s**t about C++ and developing etc - but know a little about using flash, as it's easier to understand! :wink:

[Guest gradiation]

there are rhumours that someone is testing a version, but thats been for quite a while now, and macromedia say they aren't realeasing one at the mo, but they suggest you use there wish list to ask for it. if enough people request it then they should release it.