PocketTV Enterprise Edition for Smartphone Released

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

> as far as i'm aware, all handango products are signed

that's correct.

> but you dont see anyone else mentioning this fact.

But can you also find another product that is sold on handango and that has a non-signed version given-away for free by the developer ?

I think PocketTV is the only such application. The Enterprise version is signed and is on Handango. The free personal version is not signed, therefore we cannot list it on Handango, but it is on Smartphone.net and it is getting a very large number of downloads, apparently.

> Now maybe this wasnt your fault, maybe it was handango themselves who wrote it, but the point is, your free version is also safe and secure,

which this statement implies its not.

Yes, that's true, but an unlocked Smartphone is not as "safe and secure" than a locked Smartphone. That's what the statement says.

I don't think you could disagree with that statement, unless you can demonstrate that the entire security level that code signature offers can be defeated that easiely, in which case you and MS would probably both get into trouble!

[Guest muff]

I think what midnight is trying to say, is that the text reads as though it is your app that is 'unsafe' in decerted mode,

when it is actually the decerting itself that makes the phone 'unsafe'

it's an issue with the phrasing of the text, which reads poorly on behalf of your product, rather than saying it is the decert that is opening the risk

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

> So what are these "personal data" that are unsafe.... like my contacts (granting I dont use credit cards over the phone transation) ? What is going to happen then to these personal data if they are not secure?

Any data that can be accessed by an application that can run on an unlocked Smartphone. I think that applications may require additional privileges in order to access contacts, but I'm not totally sure. Definitely a rogue application could capture keyboard events without the user knowing.

> So I guess one should buy the Enterprise edition only in the future then... future releases.

If you intend to use PocketTV commercially or in a business, you must purchase Enterprise Edition. Using PocketTV Classic for business is a breach of the license terms. If a large company were to do that knowingly, we would get significant damages from them.

> So whats the difference from PocketTV Classic?

Read the posting above, we explain in detail the differences.

> Are you saying that you are distributing this free app that is unsafe?

No, we are saying that Classic is not signed and therefore only runs on unlocked Smartphones. Unlocked smartphones are smartphones with a level of security that has been disabled.

> If so, then why are you giving it out?

Because we are nice. Are you complaining that we are just too nice ?

> If not, then why create the Enterprise Edition?

Because we are a company and we need to make some revenues in order to pay the office rent and to pay the people working there.

> Sir, with all due respect, I think this is just a marketing strategy :wink: No offense but this is IMO

Call it like that if you want. This is the way we market our products. One is free, un-signed, for personal use, one is not free, signed, for business use. There is nothing wrong with this, and most people prefer that we give a free product, and they don't case if it is signed or not as long as it is free.

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

I think what midnight is trying to say, is that the text reads as though it is your app that is 'unsafe' in decerted mode, 

when it is actually the decerting itself that makes the phone 'unsafe'

it's an issue with the phrasing of the text, which reads poorly on behalf of your product, rather than saying it is the decert that is opening the risk

That's pretty well explained in our FAQ, here:

http://www.pockettv.com/faq.html#unlock

We'll see if we can make the text clearer.

[Guest midnight]

muff, yeh, thats exactly what i was getting at, misleading text, hehe, maybe i could have explained myself better, hehe, see how easy it is :lol:

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

We have changed our text. It now reads:

"[PocketTV Enterprise Edition] Does not require that you unlock or de-certify your Smartphone. When you keep your Smartphone locked, your private data remains safe and secure. "

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

muff, yeh, thats exactly what i was getting at, misleading text, hehe, maybe i could have explained myself better, hehe, see how easy it is :lol:

That was not our intent, and we have reworded, see posting above.

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

When you keep your Smartphone locked, your private data remains safe and secure. "

Still very misleading as mentioned in another post, safe and secure

compared to what?

[Guest dinoalbert]

When you keep your Smartphone locked, your private data remains safe and secure

it seems to imply : "So to surely keep your private data safe and secure, better lock your phone, but if you want to watch mpegs then, buy Pocket TV Enterprise..."

is that right or wrong?

Because we are a company and we need to make some revenues in order to pay the office rent and to pay the people working there

There is nothing wrong with needing to make revenues BUT I believe, in order to earn a living, you dont have to scare people that their private data is not safe and secure with unlocked phones...well, it is indeed scary hearing that your private data is unsafe isnt it?

Dont get me wrong though...I love PocketTV for both my PocketPC and Smartphone

[Guest Johnnyjohn]

fight the system!!!! grrrr!!! argh!!!! Bad certification, naughty certification!!!!

he he he

um..... daft question but what is need for this program anyway when we have the ability to watch movies in the windows media player - or use DivX player which I think does most formats - could be wrong, but could someone spell out the benifits of this program...

and seriously - does anyone actually use the video playing facility for commercial reasons? Go to a meeting and show off your showreel?!? or is it an alternative to going to the cinema - public showings of films on a 2" screen?

I'm a little confused.....

John

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

Still very misleading as mentioned in another post, safe and secure

compared to what?

Compared to when the Smartphone is unlocked, that's obvious from the wording.

The people interested to understand why can read our FAQ or contact MS or their Operator for details on how unlocking Smartphone affects security.

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

> So to surely keep your private data safe and secure, better lock your phone

> is that right or wrong?

This part is right. Security is higher when the phone is locked.

> well, it is indeed scary hearing that your private data is unsafe isnt it?

If you are really concerned (or, should I say, paranoid) about data security, then you should keep your phone locked. Otherwise don't worry about it.

[Guest The PocketTV Team]

> fight the system!!!! grrrr!!! argh!!!! Bad certification, naughty certification!!!!

It just gives an option to the people who want higher security. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you are able to disable it if you prefer convenience (and free games) rather than security.

> daft question but what is need for this program anyway when we have the ability to watch movies in the windows media player

WMP is not very good for playing video on the Smartphone. No way to seek, can only be used to watch very short clips. No fullscreen, no Landscape mode, no way to map commands on phone keys.

> - or use DivX player which I think does most formats

Not very stable, but you can of course use it if you prefer.

> - could be wrong, but could someone spell out the benifits of this program...

It works very well and is free for personal use. Try PocketTV Classic on your Smartphone and maybe you'll understand why so many people like it.

> and seriously - does anyone actually use the video playing facility for commercial reasons?

Obviously some people are.

> Go to a meeting and show off your showreel?!?

Maybe. But there are many other use of video.

> or is it an alternative to going to the cinema - public showings of films on a 2" screen?

I don't think that's the main (commercial) use...

[Guest awarner [MVP]]

Compared to when the Smartphone is unlocked, that's obvious from the wording.

The people interested to understand why can read our FAQ or contact MS or their Operator for details on how unlocking Smartphone affects security.

And all this has been discussed in detail in the past well before your

smartphone experience. and yes lets all look at the MS operator sites for

details. :roll: of course they are going to try and scare you, they dont

want you to decert. At the end of the day if you are paranoid enough, go

and buy the most expensive app on the smartphone :lol:

[Guest Johnnyjohn]

Thanks PTV Team, I appreciate the input! (not especially anti certification, by the way!! Just think it's funny how agro this thread seams to be! "Why can't we all just ... get along ... " ! )

Anyway, if anyone has actually used PTV for commercial reasons I'd love to hear about it. I run a new media agency and have been wondering about future developement and use of smartphones.

let me know - if you'd rather go off thread the email me ...([email protected])

thanks,

John