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[tacchan23]

babyjosef17, on Jan 26 2010, 09:32, said:

May ask what does this do exactly? Does disabling today mean to disable to windows default(titanium) item on today screen. Or it disabled the today screen completely. (hmm wonder how that will look like)

it will disable the today screen completely

[Craptastic0]

Baros008, on Jan 25 2010, 23:43, said:

Attached are CABs to switch Today screen ON and OFF.

Disabling Today frees 5-10MB of RAM, I don't know exactly, I'm not using it right now.

Nice, thank you.

[xaznxplaya]

Guys does anyone knows why memory keeps going up while my phone is not in use? Currently using JA5 Rom with SPB Shell. I'm at like 62% when the phone restart 64mb free around then an hour later it's like at 78% 32mb free.

[mihai_mihai]

installed P hon ex 2.2 and freed a lot of ram now 65 mb free
using spb and a few adther programs but  in ph onex settings i checked disable WM phone

Edited by mihai_mihai, 04 February 2010 - 05:34 PM.

[b7610_fan]

the cause is more likely sbp <-> myphone.
I don't know if you are familliar with spb software, they rock in memory leaks & bugs.
yet it's one of the most popular software for wm.

what version of sbp do you have ? and from where did you get it ? legal ?

try monitor with windows taskmngr.

Edited by b7610_fan, 04 February 2010 - 05:39 PM.

[dwallersv]

FWIW, gang...

After having my 920 mysteriously go into 50MB RAM lower hyperlimit -- closing even the only single running application, while I was using it in the foreground, if RAM got below the magic 50MB limit -- I finally bit the bullet, backed up, hard reset, and started the long process of gradually rebuilding my phone configuration as I need things I had previously installed.

I have about the same memory usage as before (the big stuff -- MS3, S2U2, and a few other items are all running), but I'm able to keep 3-4 things running now, pushing RAM down below 50MB, without stuff closing.

Note that I had applied all the "fixes" outlined in this thread to improve the situation. I have a sick feeling that one of more of them caused things to go haywire.

For the benefit of the community, I will be gradually applying the fixes again, one by one, reversibly, to see if something jumps out as f*cking everything up, and will report back over the coming days.

Bottom line is, Samsung needs to fix this.

[VitasLoWang]

Hello, I read several reviews and I was about to buy Omnia II but now I am really not sure if I want to bother with some crazy utils or settings to prevent my phone from closing apps I want to use :-\
Sorg thanks for the clear explanation where is that reserved memory, but can you please finish what you started and clarify how it is with that pagepool? Am I right that this can be changed only with custom ROMs? According to this thread it is as I say
http://forum.xda-dev...ad.php?t=466833
Rodrigofd february is here, so how does it look like with that XDA guru? Did she find anything? But I guess there is not much to look at now after Sorg's explanation :-\
Have anyone tried this EverApp http://www.freewarep...ad-everapp.html if it can prevent Samsung's wm_close to kill applications? I guess it will not work in Omnia's case...

Anyway I agree with those who say Samsung is almost lying (as well as other smartphone manufacturers) if he says there is 256MB of RAM. I think that RAM is something totally different then this! In a computer world they would never include amount of graphics memory, CPU L2 cache or memory on the TV card or a sound card into total amount of RAM! Oh yes a GPU in pc can use some amount of RAM via AGP or PCIexpress, but this CAN BE set or even disabled. RAM which is invisible and cannot be used as a program memory should not be named RAM, but just "memory" or something like that and customers should not be bothered with numbers how much of it is in their phones if they cannot use it! Not talking about the situation when you have the same or even less available memory on your new phone then on the older model with "just" 128MB RAM just because your new one has more MPix in its camera

[rhapthorne]

VitasLoWang, on Feb 13 2010, 22:36, said:

Not talking about the situation when you have the same or even less available memory on your new phone then on the older model with "just" 128MB RAM just because your new one has more MPix in its camera

This is just unbelievably ridiculous - some years ago 256MB RAM was sufficient to play GTA San Andreas, but today half of that amount needs to be sacrificed in order to get a stupid phone working...  I really hope that Samsung will optimize this stuff or maybe WM 6.6 will leave more RAM available, otherwise I'll be forced to sell my O2 and look for sth else - i just don't want to strive for every single MB with a system which is just retarded in terms of memory management.

Edited by rhapthorne, 14 February 2010 - 12:38 AM.

[VitasLoWang]

Oh yes, I read other topics and It does not look good :-\ I am thinking about HTC hd2, but it is much more expensive and also heavier. But I hope at least it does not suffer from similar problems like Omnia II, does it?

[sesser]

@VitasLoWang, i thought about getting HD2 too, especially now, when new roms unlocked the hidden ram and now its about 320MB FREE RAM in HTC HD2!!!!
check by yourself -> http://forum.xda-dev...ad.php?t=621070,

but still, the AMOLED display and perfect formfactor (size), at least for me: is what is keeping me from switching to HD2

another thing is, how it it possible to change PagePool size on i900 and not on i8000? i read that some dude from my local forum is going to change that, he was saying something about 160MB i hope trully hope he will manage this task!

[siemi1-OmniaII]

It is possible but i think that only on WM 6.1 light version according to what mirek190 on pdaclub.pl sayas crating his own ROM TigerX

[VitasLoWang]

I have a question: what about opening some big documents like PDF files? Do they work if they are for example 100MB in size? Have anyone tried viewing big PDFs?

[jukefox]

VitasLoWang, on Feb 17 2010, 09:54, said:

I have a question: what about opening some big documents like PDF files? Do they work if they are for example 100MB in size? Have anyone tried viewing big PDFs?

No problem at all. Believe it or not: I managed to open a PDF with up to 4 GB even over the network! The file has been created by uncompressed scanned 600dpi DIN-A4 TIFs. Just couldn't believe it but it worked pretty well without extensive usage of RAM. Actually it seemed to be no difference to normal files. Performance wasn't excellent for sure but it worked extremely stable. Great job by Acrobat! In general I think you should not run in problems with any of your PDFs. Just give it a try.

[kibiwi]

sorg you explained well the allocation of the whole ram and you said that with a patch on nk.exe we can change the pagepool. The matter now is how we can patch the nk.exe is there a tool or it is simple as copying a patched nk.exe in a cooked rom (with all wm versions out there 6.1 6.5 or 6.5.3) and it goes. Could you give us some hint?

Edited by kibiwi, 18 February 2010 - 05:37 PM.

[sinancetinkaya]

When Samsung announced i8000, I was expecting an 256 mb ram pda must have 150-180 mb free ram. I gave up buying omnia 2. Now, I'm waiting for LG Apollo

[dwallersv]

Hey gang -- I think we've solved the problem! Check out this thread. Thanks to Rudd for pulling this together.

[damienloh]

jukefox, on Feb 18 2010, 03:43, said:

No problem at all. Believe it or not: I managed to open a PDF with up to 4 GB even over the network! The file has been created by uncompressed scanned 600dpi DIN-A4 TIFs. Just couldn't believe it but it worked pretty well without extensive usage of RAM. Actually it seemed to be no difference to normal files. Performance wasn't excellent for sure but it worked extremely stable. Great job by Acrobat! In general I think you should not run in problems with any of your PDFs. Just give it a try.

I suspect WM6.1 uses a swap file similar to Windows XP
\windows\_memmap_.tmp (10MB)

[Speedfrog]

why does the omnia ii just has 144.23 mb program memory? when the htc hd2 has 453.07 mb program memory!

[absolutshame]

speedfrog, on Feb 20 2010, 22:40, said:

why does the omnia ii just has 144.23 mb program memory? when the htc hd2 has 453.07 mb program memory!

Doesn't the Omnia 2 have an additional 8gb of internal memory for programs? I know I never install apps on my main storage with the exception of a few apps only.

[prosxpal]

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sorg, on Jan 16 2010, 16:26, said:

Now, what are in that 96mb of reserved memory?

1) GSM/3G module occupies 32mb of RAM. 16mb of radio FW is most likely has been copied there on boot time and rest 16mb are used for variables and other data to work.
2) 16mb of shared RAM between GSM/3G and Samsung CPU. It's required for communication.
3) Video Frame Buffers including overlays, directdraw ~10mb
4) 3D buffers occupied ~16mb of RAM.

first let me tell you that I'm not an expert or into this kinda stuff very much.so before you laugh consider that I'm only trying to find some answers to enlighten me. I still don't get why so much allocated ram needed for this device, so here are my questions:

what i don't understand is why gsm/3g module needs 32mb of ram? and why + 16mb is needed to share with cpu? correct me if I'm wrong I'm not into this stuff but when I think of it there is samsung jet that uses the same cpu (not winmo, I get it ok) but if that much ram is needed for gsm/3g/cpu, does jet has it inside? i mean it must be standart for all the same hardware..

also winmo and windows(xp/vista whatever) are different but in theory the hardware and software system must be alike? I mean I don't have allocated ram for any of this in my pc, do I?(except gpu maybe) cpus do have memory cache for this and what is the size of it on a pc 1mb/2mb? why does samsung 800mhz needs 16 mb allocated ram memory to comminucate with other services?

also samsung software kills apps when ram is below some mb. so why do you need to allocate this from the beginning? you free as much as ram for the system and if it needs more for 3g,3d, gsm whatever it can kill other apps. + in a pc when I'm suffering for more ram it warns me that it needs more so I can kill unused or unwanted apps by myself. or simply I don't start that app which needs more ram, or I reboot etc. in a pc more free ram is more speed right? or more ram is more speed right?is it the same for winmo? so what is the point to allocate 100mb ram from the beginning? so wouldn't it be more useful for me to take control of the device  if I can manage it by myself(samsung software is still free to kill all the apps when needed(ie. emergency)) or if I don't know how to handle the winmo system (inexperienced user) existing system of o2 would be reasonable. so wouldn't be used an option for this in settings. it would be lovely for the user to have an option.

speedfrog, on Feb 20 2010, 22:40, said:

why does the omnia ii just has 144.23 mb program memory? when the htc hd2 has 453.07 mb program memory!

o2 has 256mb ram which most of it is allocated so you have ~140 for yourself.