STOPPED - New graphic Interface for OMNIA

[Guest vincentvan]

Thanks for the compliments, but as you can read on the first post this is not an OS, it's a new interface, and the only thing available until before the project was stopped is the device lock, which is incomplete. The project is stopped and may not be resumed until some coders comes in help.

I must really compliment you for this great UI.

If I would be mr. Samsung I would offer you a job.

As a matter of fact I think it's so good that I would even be ready to pay (a little) for it, but since I 'm not a coder all the warnings attached to the UI made a bit nervous, so before installing it on my Omnia (i900) I would really apreciate if someone more expert than me would give it a try and then , after a few days, report on how it worked, what bugs (eventually) plague it, and if it is suggested for the Omnias of total n00bs.

Whoever will take this risk in the name of the furtherment of science, will be remembered in my testament and in my evening prayers for as long as I live. (Maybe).

[Guest Zeski]

What's this written in?

I'm a .NET developer with experience in C#, VB, SQL, JavaScript and Python... happy to jump onboard and learn as I go if a coder is all that's stopping this from proceeding... even if it's a random language that you're coding in. This project, so far, looks light years ahead of any WinMo interface I've seen so far.

[Guest Hellbender]

I must really compliment you for this great UI.

If I would be mr. Samsung I would offer you a job.

As a matter of fact I think it's so good that I would even be ready to pay (a little) for it, but since I 'm not a coder all the warnings attached to the UI made a bit nervous, so before installing it on my Omnia (i900) I would really apreciate if someone more expert than me would give it a try and then , after a few days, report on how it worked, what bugs (eventually) plague it, and if it is suggested for the Omnias of total n00bs.

Whoever will take this risk in the name of the furtherment of science, will be remembered in my testament and in my evening prayers for as long as I live. (Maybe).

I think the first post is clear enought on what is and what is not available at the moment (in fact the only thing we made before stopping was the device lock, wich have some bugs, i.e. you can't pick up calls, and the launcher which is a very alpha stage). Even a quick read on the last pages of the thread would clarify some things for you, just do the effort.

What's this written in?

I'm a .NET developer with experience in C#, VB, SQL, JavaScript and Python... happy to jump onboard and learn as I go if a coder is all that's stopping this from proceeding... even if it's a random language that you're coding in. This project, so far, looks light years ahead of any WinMo interface I've seen so far.

This is written in c++.

Edited April 8, 2009 by Hellbender

[Guest vincentvan]

Right, this is what the genial developer says.

Now if any normal, average, non-coding user would post his/her experience-based opinions on this UI we would all be very grateful.

[Guest Hellbender]

Right, this is what the genial developer says.

Now if any normal, average, non-coding user would post his/her experience-based opinions on this UI we would all be very grateful.

You mean THEORETICAL experience-based opinions, such as "I think this would work" or "I think that would be simplier", 'cause there's no UI to use here, just the two apps I mentioned above and the mock-ups I made fot the rest of the interface.

If you mean this I apologize for my previous wrong assumption.

BTW: I'm the so called "genial" developer, don't know if that was sarcasm or what.

Edited April 8, 2009 by Hellbender

[Guest indian1]

I have to say when i saw this i thought woow i gotta have this, honestly if this gets fineshed it will be the BEST UI EVER!! Great ideas! this is a long shot but couldn't we all get some donations together and try hireing someone to do it? I dont know how all this stuff works so forgive me if thats not the case but i for one would deffo donate towards its completion.

[Guest Hellbender]

I have to say when i saw this i thought woow i gotta have this, honestly if this gets fineshed it will be the BEST UI EVER!! Great ideas! this is a long shot but couldn't we all get some donations together and try hireing someone to do it? I dont know how all this stuff works so forgive me if thats not the case but i for one would deffo donate towards its completion.

That's a chance i refused in the first place, this is not a work for me, and i refuse to work with someone who works on hour basis or on milestones. I need people motivated by the simple fact they like the project.

BTW too much money is needed to pay a developer for months needed to build this interface, and i seriously doubt that that many will donate enought to get this to completion.

If i'm going to pay someone to do the job i'm also goingo to make it commercial, so you need to purchase it to use it (if someone earns money on a idea of mine, why shouldn't I?).

Do you really want this ?

I don't think so.

[Guest maf107ezk0]

Yes, and also now there is a website and donating fund for Android... By the looks of things this awesome project is going down :excl:

[Guest rumkokos]

Does this has to be coded in C++? As far as i'm concerned the interface are pictures and whats "beneath" them is another story. So Basicly the project is more or less in a starting off stage and not of work would be wasted if it's recoded in another language? I checked on some forums and stuff and noticed that C++ isnt a very popular code language anymore.

I think it's a beautifuly app and it's worth finding some sponsors for it, maybe even worth contacting Samsung directly it's worth a try and if you succeed it they might buy off the idea from you from rather big bucks, and they would integrate it into omnia phones by deafult, it would surely increase the selling of omnia. So Basicly all you need is a little marketing ideas and off you go earning big bucks.

I think it's a waste of time searching for little developers doing this app for free, but if you sell it to the big fishes i think your on a good way!

[Guest Hellbender]

Does this has to be coded in C++? As far as i'm concerned the interface are pictures and whats "beneath" them is another story. So Basicly the project is more or less in a starting off stage and not of work would be wasted if it's recoded in another language? I checked on some forums and stuff and noticed that C++ isnt a very popular code language anymore.

I think it's a beautifuly app and it's worth finding some sponsors for it, maybe even worth contacting Samsung directly it's worth a try and if you succeed it they might buy off the idea from you from rather big bucks, and they would integrate it into omnia phones by deafult, it would surely increase the selling of omnia. So Basicly all you need is a little marketing ideas and off you go earning big bucks.

I think it's a waste of time searching for little developers doing this app for free, but if you sell it to the big fishes i think your on a good way!

I started writing a more complex answer, but since english isn't my native language it would take too much to do that.

Imho you are wrong in so many points that it's almost pointless to argue all of them.

I will just point out that besides upgrading the actual drivers and a bit of functionality on Omnia phones, Samsung isn't by far (and doesn't show any trace of) interested in throwing money creating another interface on a phone that sells itself, even more considering that there are so many new devices coming on the market with different interfaces that the hope that a big developer would develop this interface specifically for the omnia (which is my main idea) is just ridiculous. Omnia is really cool, but it's becoming old really fast.

Plus this is not a registered (copyrighted) idea and a big company, if really interested in a project like that, would simply steal the idea without giving away a dollar.

That's the hard life in the buisness world.

All very personal opinions, don't take it personal.

[Guest rumkokos]

No man, nothing personal, i see exactly what you mean tho. I imagine it wouldbe a lot easier if you had contacts within Samsung company. However contacting GsmArena "high rollers" - the ones that get inside info from samsung so they put specifications about the phones on, would make it substantialy easier to get the contact info of someone inside. I do agree it doesnt make sense developing a whole new interface just for omnia, as you said it's getting old faster than it should. But going step by step i think there's a chance. First you get the info wheather or not they are interested in idea of making new interface for samsung mobiles, not just for omnia. Or instead of them making Samsung today 1 and 2 they just make one - yours if they follow their tradition of interfaces that could be a good alternative skin. You make a video of how the interface looks now and then make a proposal and negotiate how things should look like from your point of view. If they are interested then you tell them you gonna make a pattern and sell them and hopefully you meet them with the price. If they decline and still bring your idea to life... it's not really a theft as that idea would never come to life otherwise anyway.

Another option is to give an offer to companies like SPB that make spb shell and tuff that it's sold rather well. I am rather confident about them taking an offwe if a good price is offered under good conditions for both sides. However you must understand that inovations arent always sold good ... imagine how much money would we have to pay for everyday stuff if inventors earned big bucks, the prices would go sky high. So unless you arent a greedy person but know how to make an offer i thinks it's worth the try at least with SPB company that makes such and similar interfaces and has requierd know-how.

Note, we are not talking about 100k $ or € or anything, but i donno up to say 700€ is a very big price for a good idea that needs some work to be done to bring it to life.

[Guest Hellbender]

No man, nothing personal, i see exactly what you mean tho. I imagine it wouldbe a lot easier if you had contacts within Samsung company. However contacting GsmArena "high rollers" - the ones that get inside info from samsung so they put specifications about the phones on, would make it substantialy easier to get the contact info of someone inside. I do agree it doesnt make sense developing a whole new interface just for omnia, as you said it's getting old faster than it should. But going step by step i think there's a chance. First you get the info wheather or not they are interested in idea of making new interface for samsung mobiles, not just for omnia. Or instead of them making Samsung today 1 and 2 they just make one - yours if they follow their tradition of interfaces that could be a good alternative skin. You make a video of how the interface looks now and then make a proposal and negotiate how things should look like from your point of view. If they are interested then you tell them you gonna make a pattern and sell them and hopefully you meet them with the price. If they decline and still bring your idea to life... it's not really a theft as that idea would never come to life otherwise anyway.

Another option is to give an offer to companies like SPB that make spb shell and tuff that it's sold rather well. I am rather confident about them taking an offwe if a good price is offered under good conditions for both sides. However you must understand that inovations arent always sold good ... imagine how much money would we have to pay for everyday stuff if inventors earned big bucks, the prices would go sky high. So unless you arent a greedy person but know how to make an offer i thinks it's worth the try at least with SPB company that makes such and similar interfaces and has requierd know-how.

Note, we are not talking about 100k $ or € or anything, but i donno up to say 700€ is a very big price for a good idea that needs some work to be done to bring it to life.

All true things, the only bug is that if i sell this idea, i will have not any chance to make it work like i would, partially because it is actually an incomplete design, and partially because once they purchase it, they will maka all the changes they want. At that point i would do that just for the money, because finally the interface will probably look different from the initial idea (I say that because i know that to make an easy-selling product they need to meet as many user targets as possible, making the design more flexible etc.)

Actually this is just a mockup: very difficult to sell the work that is already done, and doing more work to present an idea wich hardly meets the functionality standards of other ui seems a bit poitless to me. What I see right now is that the idea is reached a stall, i can't scrap it ( i'd prefer not) but theresn't enought to sell it to someone else.

All I can do is present the work done until now, but i seriously doubt it will move any interest. But in case someone picks it up it will become a commercial product, and I will not have any chance to design anymore.

[Guest rumkokos]

Yes i see exactly what you mean, some interfaces do look rather shitty just because they need to bi suitable to such large number of costumers, that does make me change my mind about the samsung offer as they really wouldnt accept it, however an offer to companies like SPB does still make sense. They do make custom shells and stuff, but their appearence is the way it is but not just because it has to fit smaller but yet large enough "target" of ppl but also because they dont come up with that kind of imagination. If they had a chance i'm sure they might go for it.

Seems to me like you are trying to make a "dream house" but all you got right now is the blueprint or a draft picture of the idea but u dont have the resources. So if you get a sponsor he would implement his ideas and it wouldnt be ur dream house anymore. So basicaly you are inbetween a dream house or a dream thats never to see daylight. You do have the option to go there with the offer and condition the offer with "i want to have a big part in the making of this shell, i would like to be the coordinator. I will give the instructions you will make it happen" Sth like that, i imagine they would be glad if someone gave them ideas that only need to be done, instead of them wasting time designing and coming up with ideas how to make it similar to your design.

My only suggestion to you would be, either change the colors or at least make them optional to change, as i fancy the idea of interface, but i really dislike the colors that green and orange, nice colors but i dont know i just dont feel them in that interface. If that was a done UI i'd load/buy it just coz it's so diferent from others, but the colors ... i'd pay extra few bucks to have them changed :excl: my oppinion :excl:

It's really a shame that such advanced idea would just "be there" you know, i dont think you will ever finish it coz you wont find coders to help you make it happen (unless you made really big effort, but still doubt it) as i said it's better if you earn some bucks and cooperate with (i only know SPB company) companies like SPB than not doing anything at all. This idea will either get to life in a probably (a bit) modified version or it wont exist at all.

Unless you take it to some i donno school or college where they learn C++ and you have a chat with some professors and say:

Listen i have an idea, how about you give me couple of best students-coders and they work on a project of mine and if we complete the project successfully you give them a good grade or some bonus or something that is usualy given to good students on that school college. Maybe if you have a chance, you can give them a reward in some way that doesnt need to be financial, but just some benefit that they would have for the effort they would put into your project.

Any of that would you consider thinking?

[Guest Hellbender]

Talking about colors: the interface was meant to be skinnable as many other interfaces are, so once it is released a skinning sdk (the source images and an xml theming structure) it's up to the community, I myself ,when I conceived the design, I had different looks in my mind.

As I said maybe I will contact spb. I can't think about another possible developer, TAT is far too advanced in this kind of works so they probably laught at me.

As far as I know there are a little more interfaces around but all revolve on the flexibility to the user and the same widget/app/icon grid philosofy (Yrgo, PointUI2..).

As you said probably I will never finish the work I initially proposed myself, i knew it was a lot of work to realize so i asked to have a single developer on every aspect of this interface. I found few to any, and some of them never came back to develop. I've also received many help proposal from people who then never replied again to my messages. Seems i found another persone interested but i know that we are only two.

We will see.

Edited April 14, 2009 by Hellbender

[Guest rumkokos]

I kind of know how you feel, when you are anxious to to do something good something useful but everything is against you and you just cant make it happen. In times like this it's like "i wish i were rich and money would solve all the problems" but yet again we have limited resources :/ All I can do is wish you the best in making it real the way you wanted it, but if it wont work, go for the next best thing, go for the alternatives, accept the fact it wont be EXACTLY the way you planed it to be but at least it will be something but still try to make your best effort that even if modifications are a necesity you would still play an important role in the process of making it real.

Good luck man :excl:

[Guest Omniakid]

Bummer. This looked awesome too :-(

[Guest corwest]

Any new info on this or is it still dead?

[Guest BqL]

Mate,

This was one of the firts topic's i have seen on this forum.

And your style was amasing for me!

if you need any support with $ pleas contact me. Maby i can help.

Edited May 13, 2009 by BqL

[Guest blu_bie]

this one is sooo cooooollll

even for an iphone...

humph...... make it happen guys,i want to help but dont understand about code.... ;)

[Guest drunkenmonkeyonacid]

please dont let this die............am a medical student dont know jack s*** abt coding but willing to help any other way...

[Guest aaak2000]

please dont let this die............am a medical student dont know jack s*** abt coding but willing to help any other way...

hi...

it seems to be amazing program for all Omnia users...

if there anyone who know how to keep the development PLEASE do so...

i am a tester and will to run as much tests as needed...

;)

[Guest jaycarl]

Dreams die hard, but accomplishments last forever.

You can do this, I have faith in you.

[Guest jmoore4294]

I would love to see this come back to life. However I would be of no help as a coder being that I don't know the first thing. However I would be glad to donate anything I could if need be.

[Guest Goodlife^]

It would be so nice if you not stopped ;).

i love no windows bars !

[Guest Weesals]

I too would love to see this project continue. The screens look so awesome!

If it were finished, I'm sure alot of Omnia (or other mobile) users would be willing to pay for it, as long as it was cheaper than SPB Mobile Shell